Monday, May 10

Jango PopScore Top 5

Artist: Seven Cedars
Seven Cedars is a group of friends from Canada who recently decided to try their hand making alternative rock. Single "I Wanted You There" is their first effort, and a very promising one.

Click to hear Seven Cedars:
I Wanted You There
Artist: Eldorado
Critically acclaimed and hailed as one of the top 5 hard rock bands at 2009's Independent Music Awards, Eldorado play ballsy, take-no-prisoners hard rock.

Click to hear Eldorado:
The House Of The 7 Smokestacks
Artist: Travis Rush
Travis Rush is a country artist and entrepreneur from Portland, OR. Priding himself on the integrity of his music, Travis delivers "slice-of-life" songs with honesty and commitment.

Click to hear Travis Rush:
You'll Find Your Way
Artist: The Mouth Of Ghosts
Fusing alternative rock and trip-hop, The Mouth Of Ghosts are a band from London who make moody, textured music, fueled by ragged guitars and distant electronics.

Click to hear The Mouth Of Ghosts:
Hunting Me
Artist: Sky Flying By
Sky Flying By is the solo post-rock project of an artist who would prefer to remain nameless. Shift electronics envelop the listener, while guitars caress.

Click to hear Sky Flying By:
High Wind Advisory

50 comments:

Anonymous said...

First, congratulations to all five of these Top acts this week. Curious about one thing. If acts get this much buzz as I'm sure they do, why don't we see Top 5'ers scoring in the Top 5 for consecutive weeks as the buzz continues to grow?

Anonymous said...

Best guess: whatever the popscore formula, it does not produce the percentile we see, but an average (or if you prefer, a quotient). All top-scoring artists are competing for rank determined to the right of the decimal point. Furthermore, the poscore isn't weighted, so most of the winners have very small samples. Most likely, the top score is shared by many artists, and tie-breaking is determined editorially, or alphabetically, or using a mathematically sound, proven, and accepted method for handling ties in nonparametric statistical analysis -- ha ha, just kidding! It's probably alphabetically or maybe you go to the end of the list if you've already been featured. There has been one artist to make the top 5 twice (months apart) -- perhaps because the second time only 5 or less artists tied for top score. Or maybe he's somebody's cousin.

Anonymous said...

Guess again -- Popscore at Jango is only remotely related to "the formula", the mysterious alchemy of plays + fans - frowny face votes x the cube root of pi - its actually decided in Jango employee meetings - the criteria of what bands to feature being what will upset their biggest corporate clients (major labels) the least.

Jango won't let "emerging artists" communicate effectively with their "fans" because that plum bandwidth is reserved for corporate clients. Really.

Wake up people - Jango isn't going to get your career going anywhere. In this age of social networking, if you can't parlay what you pay for promotion into fan contact, you'll just continue to lose money. People may hit the "like" button when they hear your song, but since they get to hear it for free on Jango they ain't gonna pay a dollar for it on iTunes. And you can't put them on your mailing list for new releases, merch or gigs because Jango won't allow you to. You can send them a message but they WON'T EVEN KNOW THEY HAVE IT because Jango doesn't include a prominent message alert on fan pages. They don't want you competing with Lady Gaga's latest crapfest.

All you bands who have spent your health insurance money on 5000 Jango plays this month and have been "honored" with a top 5 popscore, enjoy your free plays, let your ego be boosted enough so you'll spend your touring budget on more Jango (they are counting on this). It will get you 100 new fans in the Balkans and Peru whom you'll never get to contact again and you'll never make a dime from. Even if THEY give you their email address, this happens about once every 100 fans, or about 2000 plays, that's costing you $60 per solid email contact!)

But feel like a king because, gosh, SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE IN THE WORLD is actually HEARING to your music. Isn't that special, gosh I'm willing to go broke for that and make Jango rich. As long as we let these thieves manipulate us, musicians will continue to be taken advantage of and treated like suckers.

Waiting for that inevitable day (soon) when Jango will remove these blogs (or our ability to comment) so they can continue the game uncontested.

Anonymous said...

I could not agree more that Jango is manipulative & is playing us all for suckers. But I don't see Jango as nefarious fatcats, squeezing everything they can out of their victims. Jango is the most amateurish business I've come across....ever. The site/service should never have come out of beta, since the site/service has never left beta. Nothing works, except the business model: vanity bake sale for the world's least "on-the-ball" market, self-promoting musicians. Jango is not just bad, it's embarrassingly bad. Sad really. Yes, they know it, but they've gotten away with it -- and keep getting away with it -- so rather than fail with the original business plan, a new one wrote itself: keep selling 'em snake oil, they seem to like it.

The reason Jango treats its pay-for-play customers so contemptuously is that Jango got out of the pay-for-play business some time ago. Now they're in the perceived-value business: if they don't somehow unload this mess (sell), they'll go down in flames in short order.

Anonymous said...

I don't know if Jango is manipulating people, actually trying to help people, or just don't know what they are doin'.....but all I know is that after paying for a bunch of plays when I first signed my band up, I haven't paid for any since and my band is reaching a whole group of new people around they world that we would never otherwise contact. How many of those people actually go and buy my band's CD? Probably not many if any at all....but the buzz is still out there and hey who knows, maybe I'm wrong and they are buying it up......but I do agree that Jango is not going to make or break your music career. Its just a fun site to listen to some music, discover new music, and communicate with people who like the same type of music you do.

Trevor said...

I like how everyone is being so big making all these big statements against Jango....feel like big men/women speaking your minds....but not ballsy enough to put your name on your post......nice

Anonymous said...

Travis Rush's featured song is "I'll Be," an Edwin McCain cover. I didn't realize cover songs were legally allowed on Jango...

AVERAGE JOE said...

Regarding the post in previous blogs,in reference to ACTUAL FANS who provided their ACTUAL Email, here are some numbers. 824 so called "FANS" 49 email addresses AND NONE FROM HOT CHICKS!!

Also Literally HUNDREDS & HUNDREDS of emails to "So Called Fans" via the ONE AT A TIME process through the "So Called Fans" list have been sent. (I have the carpal tunnel to proveit)I would thank them, tell them a new song has posted, please give a listen and then monitor PROFILE VISITS to see if they went there to listen to the SONG. I would see only about a .5% response based on an estimate of normal profile visits vs. profile visits after sending an email, i.e. 200 emails = Approx 10 extra profile visits. Not very rabid "So Called Fans"!!

Anyhow no one to blmae but myself. Jango is what it is and provides what it says. As noted above it is primarily an opportunity to pay for a False Ego Boost when a YOU HAVE A NEW FAN email comes through.

Even if I offered a CD for say $10(an outraegeous price) and EVERY ONE OF THE 49 Loyal Enough To Share Email Fans Bought It that is ONLY $490!! I am embarassed to say much less tha I have spent to obtain those 49!!

So the question is how much do I want to spend for an Artificial Ego Boost? My choice.

If you don't want JANGO to charge your card automatically then just delete the info or CANCEL YOUR MONTHLY PLAN!! You have control over that too!!

ON THE COVER SONG ISSUE, I didn't think so either. Thta's just not right. Even though my BIG BAD BOOGIE sounds erily similar to ZZ's La Grange in spots, it is still original. Check it out and judge for yourself!!

Well I can't control what others do, COVERING someone's else's Creative Effort is the EAsy Way, LIKE PAINTING BY NUMBERS achanging a few of the colors and calling yourself an Artist!! I will be true to myself and only POST the ORIGINAL NOISE FROM MY OWN WARPED MIND!! lol

AVERAGE JOE

P.S. NEW SONG COMING SOON: ROCK & ROLL SOUL

Anonymous said...

Welcome to Jango's suggestion box/complaints department. This is a place where I can run my mouth, vent my feelings, say stupid stuff - even be a dick! I can say the first foolish thing that pops in my head and blow off some steam (it's all very therapeutic). Only a narc would take issue with the anonymity of the suggestion box/complaint dept. Only a feeble-minded douchebag without the sense to distinguish between an emotional response and a reasonable point of view would sign their name to an arrogant, childish, and hostile rant. Only a ballsy douchebag narc like Trevor.

Anonymously,
Andy

Anonymous said...

JUST SO YOU KNOW>>>There Is NO ANONYMITY HERE!! JANGO knows who left what comment based on your LOG IN!! I know this because I posted an "ANONYMOUS" Comment once and they responded to my JANGO NAMESAKE!!

So while we the readers might not know who you are...BIG POPPA JANGO DOES!!

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahah :)

AVERAGE JOE said...

El Dorado...One of the few POP TOP bands that I think deserves to be here!! Their music kicks ass!!

AVERAGE JOE said...

I HAVE AN IDEA FOR A NEW POP-u -Larity CONTEST!!

How bout "FAN PASSION" Based on the percentage of FANS who like the music enough to actually take time to post a comment!! i.e. FAN PASSION!!

Here's why I like that idea (calculated by dividng the # of Comments by the # of FANS).

In the order listed above this weeks POP TOP bands have a COOMENT Percentage Rating as Follows (% of fans who actually took time to comment)

1) 9.4% Not even 1 out of 10 like you enuf to Comment!!
2)17.9% WAY TO GO EL DORADO!!
3)16.3% VERY GOOD!!
4)11.1% Guess they don't like you THAT MUCH!!
5)13% So So!!

Based on this measure (why I like this) AVERAGE JOE would have finished 2nd only to EL DORADO with a 16.9% Comment Percentage!!

AJ WINS!! AJ WIIIIIINNNNNSSS!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :)

P.S. And that's after deleting the few nasty wise ass comments that were left by a couple a Mean Bastards!!

Anonymous said...

Congrats to the all the winners on Jango.
Now if Jango could stop sending me emails about how close I came. Instead send me an email when I actually do make it.
I would really appreciate it a great deal if they could do that.

Thanks

CHRIS WILLIAMS said...

I TOTALLY AGREE. IF YOURE AGAIGN TO GRIPE. SHOW YOUR NAME. i SAW THE POST FROM THE GUY WHO SAYS HE IS MAKING MONEY IN FILM AND TV AND HAS A GRIPE AS WELL BUT DID HE TELL US WHO HE IS? NOPE.
ALOT OF US ARE IN THAT SAME BOAT. IM SELLING CDS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN ME ON HERE AND MYSPACE SO,IT TAKES THE WORK IN PUTTING INTO IT AND ITS NOT EASY BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP PLUGGING.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT, I STILL THINK JANGO IS A GOOD PROMOTIONAL TOOL. ITS LIKE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE NET. MYSPACE IS MAKING MONEY AND SO IS FACEBOOK. I READ A COOL E-BOOK ON SELLING CDS AND MAKING IT ON THE NET AND IT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE JANGO CAME ON THE SCENE AND I SAW A COMMENT AFTER THE FACT THAT THE AUTHOR MADE SAYING THAT JANGO WAS GENIUS AND IS ANOTHER AWESOME TOOL TO PROMOTE YOURSELF. HE HAD SOME OTHER TECHNIQUES HE USED AND THEY WORK. IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME BUT WORTH IT IF YOU WANT IT BAD ENOUGH. THE BOOK IS CALLED "MUSIC MARKETING MANIFESTO" BY JOHN OSZAJCA

CHECK IT OUT SOMETIME. THERE IS STUFF IN THAT I HAVEN'T DONE YET BUT HAVE READ ABOUT OTHERS IMPLEMENTING IT AND IT SEEMS THAT IT CAN WORK

CHRIS WILLIAMS

WWW.CWIZ.INFO

Anonymous said...

Anonymity allows posters to use this page as a "suggestion box/complaint dept" without fear of reprisal. Not from Jango (they know who we are), but from trifling boneheads who come to a place where people complain anonymously only to attack and insult people for complaining anonymously. If you take issue with people's words, then take issue with their words. Only people who are too lazy, dumb, or cowardly to argue ideas seek out technicalities and excuses not to. Trevor, who offered nothing of any value, makes it clear that he is all three. Chris at least contributed to the "marketplace of ideas." Maybe he will further explain if/how/why anonymity is an issue that affects or has bearing on the Jango Airplay community. I'm willing to be persuaded, just not bullied.

Andy

lulumary123 said...

Hi there, original gripe poster here, I am also the "guy" (actually female, I guess pointedness and good vocabulary are still thought of as male) who has music in film and tv.

Whole new perspective on Jango ineptitude now after reading some insightful posts here. But there are some insidious elements. What's up with changing the pay model to monthly autopay WITHOUT NOTIFYING USERS. That's right, I started using Jango when there was no autopay and after a couple months all of a sudden I had an automatic subscription. No concern at all as to whether or not I could afford it or if, by debiting my card every month I would overdraft my account. Yes you can opt out but the skank factor of that move is beyond cretinous.

Um, I'm "Anonymous" not because I give a rats ass if Jango knows who I am, its all the amateurish, illiterate Jango apologists I'd rather not be dealing with outside of this forum.

If any newbies read these posts (and that is why I continue to contribute to these forums) caveat emptor: if you are looking for a good way to spend the money you earn waiting tables or sitting in a lame-ass cubicle all day to promote your life's love - don't let Jango con you into thinking they offer anything of real value. My advice is to make your record and save up for an internet marketing professional.

Marilyn Carino said...

Hi there, original gripe poster here, I am also the "guy" (actually female, I guess pointedness and good vocabulary are still thought of as male) who has music in film and tv.

Whole new perspective on Jango ineptitude now after reading some insightful posts here. But there are some insidious elements. What's up with changing the pay model to monthly autopay WITHOUT NOTIFYING USERS. That's right, I started using Jango when there was no autopay and after a couple months all of a sudden I had an automatic subscription. No concern at all as to whether or not I could afford it or if, by debiting my card every month I would overdraft my account. Yes you can opt out but the skank factor of that move is beyond cretinous.

Um, I'm "Anonymous" not because I give a rats ass if Jango knows who I am, its all the amateurish, illiterate Jango apologists I'd rather not be dealing with outside of this forum. But since I have tried several times to post this particular blog post with endless error messages I will "out" myself gladly in hopes that will get it to go through.

If any newbies read these posts (and that is why I continue to contribute to these forums) caveat emptor: if you are looking for a good way to spend the money you earn waiting tables or sitting in a lame-ass cubicle all day to promote your life's love - don't let Jango con you into thinking they offer anything of real value. My advice is to make your record and save up for an internet marketing professional.

Anonymous said...

MARILYN CARINO's FAN PASSION SCORE = 9.6% (119 comments/1224 "Fans")

Less than 1 Out of 10 Marilyn Carino FANS are "passionate" enough about what they heard to actually take the time to comment!!

Possibly a contributing factor to the bitterness expressed above??

Marilyn Carino said...

To judge my Jango "success" based on comments or "likes" is an illusion, because no matter how much these people “like” or loooooooooove me I CAN'T COMMUNICATE WITH THEM OR SELL THEM ANYTHING, so it effectively means nothing, DON'T YOU GET IT?? “Fans” can listen here for free as much as they like, and unless they check my website regularly on their own I have no way to tell them about anything I do that makes money for me – concerts, merch, new releases. I mean, why do YOU play music, just to do something on the weekend when you’re not at your Dairy Queen job? The only ones who really benefit from Jango are the CEOs of Jango. So, like, that's totally cool with you? You're better off just sending them part of your paycheck in a Hallmark card.

You are an example of the clueless, unprofessional jerks I'd rather not deal with, hence my anonymity when commenting. As for my "bitterness", I have had absolutely no problem with the response my music gets, even on Jango (hence my frustration with it) and I couldn't give a shit about popscore or this twit's made-up algorithm of fan loyalty. People love my music, I get amazing press and I make money (three feature film with my songs coming up in 2010, stay tuned!), enough to completely support myself with no “day job”, hallelujah! And that’s because I am a savvy artist who has learned from many years of being exposed to pipe dreams like this that manipulate musicians’ egos.

I'm frustrated with Jango because it COULD be great, and I have said so here many times, and I have also communicated my enthusiasm for Jango’s potential with the Jango staff, who don't seem to give a rat turd. Jango REFUSES to let you turn fans into paying customers, or even long-term fans. Wake up Jango, this is the future of the music business using social networking!! You are shortsighted fools!!

I just want to help people who have less experience with the music industry sharks than I do. You can dismiss what I'm saying by attacking me personally, but my argument is sound. If you want to delude yourself and waste money with ego trips like Jango and work in a warehouse your whole life go ahead. Or maybe you're a poor little rich kid. Or maybe you work for Jango. Why else would you defend what they're doing?

Musicians unite! I love you ALL…

chris williams said...

Well,
I dont have an explanation on Jangos anonymity
but just agreed on the fact that youre on here like us and to share what you have to say which is ok but reveal who you are.
I really think in some respects that everyone on here would get along better knowing who we all are on here and learn from each other more as well.Jango is a tool like everything else.
Run with it if you want it or not. Im selling some cds from people who have found me on here but I also have alot of my fans adding me to their stations for one thing that i do that im seeing alot of airplays based on. I email everyone of them to thank them and ask them to add me to one or all of their stations. amazingly, they will. youre always gonna have wise ass people and there are plenty of fish in the sea for us all. I dont know it all but i have seen it help and that is me. Jango is not my only promotional tool. myspace is another tool that is still helpful if you use it wisely.

Im not sure if I mentioned this but my fans have increased in my airplay blocks this past month because i narrowed down my artists targeting. I realized that I have to target one or the other even though I do a few types of music. Im sure alot of you know this but take a second look at your targeting and see what it does for you.

chris williams
www.cwiz.info

J said...

Waiting to see how Jango responds to criticism? Don't hold your breath! Jango has a strict policy of ignoring its customers and a 0.00 popscore when it comes to addressing -- let alone redressing -- customer grievances. Jango operates behind a smokescreen of institutionalized stupidity. I won't try to guess if Jango's "duh duh" idiocy is the genuine article or artful dissembling. All I know is that it becomes more and more pronounced the more you press them on touchy issues.

Try to make your voice heard on these pages and you get shouted down by Jango loyalists: thuggish stooges whose stupidity is 100% authentic, but whose motives are perplexing. (Today they treated us to an object lesson on what to expect if you criticize Jango: Post anonymously and they call you a pussy; sign your name and be personally derided and attacked.)

Insulated and out of touch behind layers of brutish stupidity, Jango ignores us and stonewalls all questions, complaints, accusations, and challenges. The PopScore continues to create the loudest outcry, probably because it is so obviously *wrong*. But Jango's sins are greater in number and seriousness than just the PopScore. Jango has been called upon by its customers to answer everything from tech support questions to charges of fraud and illegal business practices. The site is riddled with errors and unfinished dead-ends. Many features do not do what they claim to do. Jango's reporting is insufficient, unreliable, and poorly-defined. Jango's site and services are off-line for days at a time. Nothing is documented.

So come on, Jango: answer the challenges made here. Just because you can't defend your actions doesn't mean you won't have to sometime. Pretty soon, we won't be asking (and griping/whining/complaining) for answers and explanations: we'll be demanding them ...and more.

Thank you, Marilyn Carino, for keeping a watchful eye on Jango. It is sad to see Jango squander whatever promise it once had. Maybe it's not too late, but……..

J Sterritt

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EVERYONE: I second the call to remove your billing info (credit card/PayPal) from your Airplay dashboard. All this does is ensure that you're aware of (and have a say in) how and when you pay Jango. No surprises this way, plus help send a message that Jango's credibility is not at 100%.

AVERAGE JOE (of course) said...

KEEP IN MIND THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A CUSTOMER SERVISE / COMPALINT FORUM (it has become that) but more of a way for "Emerging Artists" using JANGO to share their successes.

UNFORTUNATELY either the sucessful "JANGERS" don't bother with this blog or there are no true "EMERGING ARTIST" successes. NOTE THAT ALL THE POP TOP Bands all seem to ALREADY BE RECORDING ALBUMS and ENJOYING Commercial success, been on TV etc etc etc.

Haven't seen any true "UNDERGROUND" artists here, such as the unconventional truly underground (I record in the basement) AVERAGE JOE.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...Hah!!

Anonymous said...

Boy J STERRIT really has a stick up his/her ass!! If you don't like JANGO go somewhere else!!

Could it just be that your music sucks??

AVERAGE JOE said...

SOOOO MARILYN WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!! No one is forcing you to be here!! Grow up!!

Marilyn Carino said...

ahhhh... pearls before swine.

peace - out

Marilyn Carino said...

sorry, PS (couldn't resist) Average Joe, honey, if you don't have a label you automatically are an "emerging artist". I have no label, I do everything myself. My comments are meant to HELP people like you who work hard and want nothing more than to share their life's love with the world. And don't we all dream of making a living at it, being able to travel the world playing music and not have to work at something we hate, live a life we don’t relate to?

The way to do that in the music business, the way to "emerge" is to be smart about the money you spend, the contracts you sign, the people you allow to represent you. There are a million vultures out there who will take advantage of you. Musicians have been targets since the days of the genius black blues musicians who died penniless while smooth talkers got rich off them.

Have you ever SEEN a publishing administration contract? I just signed one and it took three months of negotiations and $2,000 with a lawyer to make sure that I would actually BENEFIT from it. I am satisfied, but it was a lot of research and work on my part to assure I wouldn't be taken advantage of. I work hard on my music, I do all the recording in my home studio (I am a Pro Tools whiz, self-taught), and I pay for CD manufacture, touring and whatever else my business requires out of pocket. If I wasn't savvy about these kinds of things I'd still be waiting tables and I'll never do that again.

Unfortunately, these are things that professional musicians have to deal with in the REAL WORLD. I've worked with some of the biggest names in music, I've toured in exotic places and have had the unexpressable joy of having people tell me with tremendous sincerity and emotion how much my music means to them. But this didn't happen by itself, it happened because I'm lucky to have talent and I worked my ASS off to make sure I didn't spin my wheels, making the same foolish mistakes. And if I want that to continue to happen, I need to remain vigilant on all fronts.

I was over-the-moon excited about Jango's potential to redefine the music business in the post-label age. It seemed to me like THE solution for independent artists. But unfortunately, as it is now, it just isn’t. I mean, you pay thru the nose for this service, and while it is GOOD, believe me, it is NOT worth what we pay for it. And I would love nothing more than to change that. For my sake and, yes, for yours. Too bad Jango isn’t listening – yet. I wish you, and everyone else here, only the best.

Take care everyone,

Marilyn

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Anonymous said...

Does anyone here have a sense of humor? Don't take your self so seriously!! If you have been at this for 13 plus years as a professional and are still struggling...well read the tea leaves

Anonymous said...

Maybe those of you who think you could do it better than JANGO, instead of whining, why don't you start your own service and JUST DO IT!!

Marilyn Carino said...

ze goggles -- zay do nothing!

Anonymous said...

Well you do have a great voice and you are hot!!

Anonymous said...

I am officially convinced that you haters are, indeed, hired goons paid to dilute/obscure/bury honest criticism of Jango by *real* dissatisfied customers. So there is something even sleazier than telemarketing.....what a gig!

Congratulations! You've shown that you are willing to sink to depths far lower than I could ever stomach. You're out of my league (at stooping so low). I cannot compete, so you win. Enjoy your sewer!

Anonymous said...

AVG JOE et al (something to "keep in mind"):


"Hello Jango Airplayers and welcome to the Jango Airplay blog a place for real conversation about everything 'Airplay'."

Anonymous said...

IS THAT AN ADMONISHMENT? F U

Anonymous said...

Hey, i'm having a party tonight and was looking for some songs to program to keep the party live. A friend of mine told me about toy thomas, she sings "getting it in". Has anyone ever heard it? Please let me know, if my music is weak, the party will be too.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Jango boots the bitchers who arent satisfied with anything lol
Im thinking they may have lol

Marilyn Carino said...

Actually, I was paranoid about that, but, to be fair, I emailed Erin at the airplay@jango.com address with a request to perhaps consult with Jango about some of the issues we have been discussing on these forums - and she gave me the email address of their business development office. Not sure if that will lead anywhere but.. here I am, Jango bitch queen still Jangoing along

I'll try to talk sense into someone if they'll listen, but hey, I have a business to run too :)

Edgardo Rivera M. Ed said...

I am quite annoyed at the harsh words many of you have for Jango. I am of the opinion that Jango is one of the greatest promotions tools since the billboard. If you don't want to use it, you simply don't have to. Negative comments posted here can only be coming from bands with weak music, or Jango competitors. Jango rocks, period.

Artist on Jango: DJ East 137

Anonymous said...

WOW! Can We all just get along?

NEW 'ISH!!!!
TOY THOMAS "GET'N IT IN"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0HQMjHcxLY

Anonymous said...

Hey College:

By "negative comments" do you mean the criticism and complaints of Jango's customers? What on earth makes you think these people don't want to use Jango? They're CUSTOMERS.

The complaints and criticisms touch on very serious issues. They are specific and generally well-supported by facts, figures, examples, and experience. They're not matters of opinion.

Your comment offers nothing but an opinion accompanied by groundless insults.

As a teacher, you must be aware that opinions are equally valid and equally worthless. So throwing out opinion altogether, you have contributed to the Jango community: an insult and an easily disproved lie.

Pretty sad for an M. Ed DJ.

Anonymous said...

FOR TO LASH AT COLLEGE?, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE CAHOONEYS TO REVEAL YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE NOT.
THERE AGAI\N., AT LEAST HE HAS MORE NERVE TO THAN YOU

Anonymous said...

People People, control yourselves. Calm down
and check out Toy Thomas "Getting It In"!!!!

Anonymous said...

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Travis Rush said...

Hello fellow Jangolers. I did end up as one of the top 5 popscore artists this past week. I'm new to Jango, about 4 weeks now. I wanted to try it out and see what kind of an effect it has. As a result, I have some opinions of my own that I would like to share, since that seems to be the main topic of this forum.

Before I dive into my opinion, I want to say that I have not determined the value of Jango for myself yet. And yes I think "the value and purpose" of Jango has to be a personal decision and is something that will vary among artists based on their style of music, available budget, stage in their career, whether or not they are touring, whether or not they have a full CD they're trying to sell or just digital tracks available on iTunes and the like.

Jango, as far as I know, is a very new concept that's still has a lot of wrinkles to iron out. No argument from me there, but I think it's too early to completely abandon ship on the concept.

With that said, I've given Jango a list, which I will also post here in hopes that others may chime in. And I have to say, if Jango is not listening, they've done a good job of making feel like they are. I've never had a problem contacting them or getting a real person to respond. Could be because I'm a paying customer. Guess I'll just have to wait and see. Anyway, here's my list of requests:

#1 - Allow us the ability to contact fans based on geographical location so we can notify them about upcoming tour dates near them. This should be fairly easy to do since they already give us that information as a whole.

#2 - Then allow us to view how many fans actually looked at that bulletin or notice so we aren't wasting our time sending them out if no one is even opening them.

#3 - I understand the email thing, I don't want to give my email to an artist just because I like one of their songs either. So, I guess this isn't necessarily a request, more of a "wish we could get more info, but I get it" comment, that maybe could be expanded on with an open discussion with other ideas.

#4 - I don't agree with doubling the cost of our (the paying artists) pay-per-play cost if we don't want our music played to people where our music isn't physically distributed or we have no plans on touring in the near future. At 2.5 cents per play, I'll play with the concept for now, but 5 cents-per-play... no deal.

#5 - We need to be able to select a different set of 30 artists for each song we post. The same 30 don't apply to every song on my album and I'm assuming that's true for many of you.

#6 - We also need to be able to see what songs people are making comments on, as well as which songs caused them to become fans and send you their email address. Jango responded back to this request with, "for now you'll just have to try a different song each week and see how it does". This is obviously ludicrous and NOT how this should work in my opinion.

So, that's my list for now. There will be much more I'm sure. We'll see how many of the items they've responded back to me on saying "they were working on it" or "the request has been sent to their development team" actually get developed.

(continued in next post…)

Travis Rush said...

(continued from above post...)

My overall opinion at this point... as I previously stated, I think Jango's on to something. I've purchased ads on Facebook and MySpace. And so far, Jango wins hands down at producing the most useful and trackable contact for me with my fans. HOWEVER, I think they need to make sure they are listening to their paying customers by making some changes and making things more useful for us. Just like any business product it's all based on perceived value per dollar per customer. Jango won't be for everyone. I look at it as a branding awareness opportunity for my name (brand) and my music. I'm not buying into Jango expecting to sell albums. We, as artists, tour to sell albums. The days of selling albums to promote a tour are long gone. The market is much too saturated to think that you're going to make any noise simply because you recorded a song and put it up on iTunes and bought some airplay on Jango. If that's your sole purpose for buying airplay on Jango, it's just simply a naive notion that you will become quickly disappointed in. Building a loyal fan base is hard work and in today's over saturated, easily accessible music market, it's going to take a combination of repetition, tenacity and persistency and then more hard work... period. Just having a good song isn't enough anymore.

On another note, someone posted a comment regarding me having "I'll Be" in my song list, which is a cover off my new album by Edwin McCain. I read the rules very closely and interpreted them to say that I could not post songs I did not have the right to play. Well, I believe I have the right to play it here just as much as I have a right to play it on terrestrial radio. As long as the copyright royalties are being payed on sales and Jango is paying the appropriate PRO's then all should be fine. They claim in the FAQ's "We’re an internet radio service following all restrictions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and pay royalties due to the organizations representing labels/artists for every song that is played." If I am wrong about this I'll be happy to pull the song, but again I don't see the difference between me releasing this song to terrestrial radio or internet radio. It's still free to the listener either way.

Anyway, if you managed to read all of this, thanks for listening and I hope you can help productively push on Jango directly to make their service better and more useful. I don't think just yelling, kicking and screaming insults in this forum is going to accomplish anything.

- Travis Rush

Travis Rush said...

My overall opinion at this point... as I previously stated, I think Jango's on to something. I've purchased ads on Facebook and MySpace. And so far, Jango wins hands down at producing the most useful and trackable contact for me with my fans. HOWEVER, I think they need to make sure they are listening to their paying customers by making some changes and making things more useful for us. Just like any business product it's all based on perceived value per dollar per customer. Jango won't be for everyone. I look at it as a branding awareness opportunity for my name (brand) and my music. I'm not buying into Jango expecting to sell albums. We, as artists, tour to sell albums. The days of selling albums to promote a tour are long gone. The market is much too saturated to think that you're going to make any noise simply because you recorded a song and put it up on iTunes and bought some airplay on Jango. If that's your sole purpose for buying airplay on Jango, it's just simply a naive notion that you will become quickly disappointed in. Building a loyal fan base is hard work and in today's over saturated, easily accessible music market, it's going to take a combination of repetition, tenacity and persistency and then more hard work... period. Just having a good song isn't enough anymore.

On another note, someone posted a comment regarding me having "I'll Be" in my song list, which is a cover off my new album by Edwin McCain. I read the rules very closely and interpreted them to say that I could not post songs I did not have the right to play. Well, I believe I have the right to play it here just as much as I have a right to play it on terrestrial radio. As long as the copyright royalties are being payed on sales and Jango is paying the appropriate PRO's then all should be fine. They claim in the FAQ's "We’re an internet radio service following all restrictions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and pay royalties due to the organizations representing labels/artists for every song that is played." If I am wrong about this I'll be happy to pull the song, but again I don't see the difference between me releasing this song to terrestrial radio or internet radio. It's still free to the listener either way.

Anyway, if you managed to read all of this, thanks for listening and I hope you can help productively push on Jango directly to make their service better and more useful. I don't think just yelling, kicking and screaming insults in this forum is going to accomplish anything.

- Travis Rush

Travis Rush said...

Sorry... didn't mean to post that second part of my post twice. It didn't show at first so I reposted it. Then they both suddenly appeared.

Anonymous said...

Here is the answer to all your questions about popscore! It's all here...to me it makes sense that you have to have paid plays of at least 50 to get a score because if you have random plays in a week it's hard to generate a true score and also, it takes a lot of work to run these reports and gather this data and so of course it should be paid for somehow. but having 50 gives a constant go by, you know? It might seem confusing but read below and it makes sense...it's based on fans reactions, not plays!!

When listening to your song the listener can give a thumbs up, thumbs down, become your fan, leave a comment and more. We enter all these listener reactions into a formula to determine which songs, and therefore which bands, are most popular with our listeners. In simple terms the PopScore is a ratio computed by total number of plays as well as ratings, both positive and negative.

To go into further detail:

You need at least 50 paid plays in the calender week (Mon – Sun) on at least one song to receive a PopScore. In other words, your band will get a PopScore if you have two songs with 50 paid plays each, or one song with 100 paid plays, or 5 songs with 500 paid plays each, but your band will not get a PopScore if you have three songs with only 49 paid plays each. So, if you want to make sure you get a PopScore each week make sure you allocate a minimum of 50 plays a week to at least one of your songs.

With that said, the more plays you have in a week, the more people will hear your music and the more new fans you will get. Also, the more paid plays you have in a week, the more accurate your PopScore becomes. However, because we look at both positive and negative ratings, you simply can not buy your your way to a higher PopScore.

Anonymous said...

I've rewritten the above, removed the irrelevant, misleading, and incorrect statements and corrected others that could be salvaged. It is much shorter. I left out the whole 3rd paragraph because it painstakingly explains something that everyone already knows. I think that answering questions that weren't asked, when you should be answering questions that were, is rude.

Here are the answers....

First, the PopScore that you receive is a percentile indicating your rank standing among all Airplay bands. That percentile is informed by another number that you never see, also referred to as "PopScore." This other PopScore is based on your band's listener reaction AND number of plays. Sorry for any confusion.

We enter listener reactions into a formula to determine how popular a band is with THEIR listeners. In simple terms the PopScore is an average (not a ratio) computed by dividing net listener reactions by the number of paid plays.

With that said, the more plays you have in a week, the more people will hear your music and the more new fans you will get. Also, the more paid plays you have in a week, the more accurate your PopScore becomes. However, we compare all PopScores regardless of accuracy, so you simply cannot buy your way to a winning PopScore. In fact, the fewer plays you have, the more likely you are to have a high PopScore. The top spots are usually reserved for flukes (statistical outliers), but keep those plays (and accuracy) to a minimum, and you still have a shot at winning Jango's "popularity" contest.

Anonymous said...

Lot of complaints....but hey, for those of us that made it, it's great for the ego ;-)

Simon
The Mouth of Ghosts (Top 5 featured artist!!)

Anonymous said...

The Bottom Line is: Are any of you selling music because of Jango? I guess you will spend far more than you will ever earn if your so lucky to earn at all