Tuesday, March 23

Featured Artists - PopScore Top 5

Hey Airplayers, here's the bands with the Top 5 PopScores from last week. And remember, this is based on a score for one week of plays and all you have to do to get a PopScore for a week is have 50 plays on one song. Check 'em out !!!

Artist: Tim Foust
Singer, songwriter, producer, arranger, touring musician, and a myriad of others describe Tim Foust, but at his core he remains a committed country/pop artist.

Click to hear Tim Foust:
The Way The Story Goes
Artist: Prom Night In Black And White
This pop-punk powerhouse from small town Canada may average 18 years old, but Prom Night In Black And White has already toured nationally, and played the Van's Warped Tour.

Click to hear Prom Night In Black And White:
Flaws In Her Words
Artist: Justin James
After an encounter with a tiger shark left him with hundreds of stitches and bedridden for a year, Justin's lust for life was rekindled by the gift of an acoustic guitar and the songs it inspired.

Click to hear Justin James:
Perfect Sometimes
Artist: [Sub]
Synthesizing ambient, drum & bass, and drumfunk, Skadi's music has an icey quality that could only come from living amongst the snow-covered peaks of Austria.

Click to hear [Sub]
Skadi
Artist: Dubby
Eric Thomas, a.k.a. Dubby, started making music at 16 with a mic and a laptop. With his fun, catchy tunes, he's now moving at full speed, having recently released his first mixtape entitled "Hi Im Dubby".

Click to hear Dubby:
Super Duper (Ft. D Money & Bam Bam)

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

here it comes, i fell some bitchin comin on. lol
maybe im wrong lol

The Government said...

Jango PopScore

What is it?

The PopScore is a weekly contest, and the winners are promoted in Jango's newsletters, press releases, artist interviews, and receive bonus plays and other perks as well. The PopScore chart-toppers are featured in Skope Magazine and "top bands will be selected for Sync Licensing Opportunities."

According to Jango, the PopScore is their "way of rewarding the artists who resonate most with the 7 Million listeners on Jango.com."

What's the Prob?

The PopScore is either deeply flawed or it is a sham. This week's winners average 27 fans per week and only 2 have been on Jango for more than a month. I used my own PopScores and Play Stats to determine the fan-to-play ratio needed to produce a PopScore of 90. The results: paid plays must net a return of 6.1% fans (or 9.2% "likes") for a PopScore of 90. For a score of 80 the numbers are 4.3% fans (7.4% "likes"). Since the PopScore is relative, we can extrapolate very unscientifically that to achieve a perfect PopScore, 7.9% of paid plays need to return a fan (11% "likes").

Let me be the first to say: These numbers are meaningless. Jango, for some reason, refuses to explain the PopScore's formula. Who knows how many variables it contains and how they are weighted? Applying sloppy formulas derived from a 27 fan-per-day data set to a 27 fan-per-week dataset would be pointless; the results wouldn't tell you anything that wasn't painfully obvious without all the math. Which is my point exactly.

I don't think it takes more than a casual look at Jango's PopScore to notice it's broken, and that Jango is broken. Price hikes, unfulfilled promises, features that fail to impress (if they're working at all), and hands-down the worst communication skills imaginable made Jango a love-'em-or-leave-'em proposition for me. It was great for a while, but I it's hard to love what you can't respect. And my respect for Jango plunges each time the PopScore disses the deserving and declares an artist with less than 300 spins to be the "resonating" darling of 7 million listeners.

Maybe Jango will address this problem. I hope so -- I don't want to leave!

The Government said...

PS: Only best wishes and congratulations to this and previous weeks' winners. I won't insult anyone's intelligence by pretending that challenging the validity of the PopScore contest can be done without challenging the validity of its results. All I can do is hope to be taken at my word when I say that my criticism of the PopScore is not intended to slight or diminish anyone's accomplishments, but to voice my real concern that until its formula is divulged, and some degree of transparency is introduced, the PopScore does a disservice to all Airplay artists.

Anonymous said...

i have no problem with the winners

Anonymous said...

JANGO IS A GOOD TOOL FOR ONESELF. WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM AN EMAIL AGES AGO IS THAT THIS TOP FIVE ARE STAFF PICKS. POSSIBLE A ROTATION. IVE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE BUT A COUPLE OF FOLKS ON HERE HAVE GIVEN ME A HARD TIME AND NEEDED NOT TO BUT AS A HINT IN ONE OF THE EMAILS, IT LEFT ME THINKING THAT, IF WE JUST KEEP PLUGGING AWAY, ITLL COME AROUND. I HOWEVER, EMAILED THEM LAST NIGHT ASKING TO GIVE ME MORE INSIGHT OTHER THAN WHAT THEY already have on this. just out of curiosity. their email is backlogged to 48 hours lol im wondering why lol

Average Joe said...

TIP - POP SCORE STRATEGY TO AVOID!! Ok first of to be clear, I am not here for POP Score, mainly because I am never even close and my music is not that well received by the JANGO listening poulation as a whole.

I just like the ego strokes from the 2-3% who end up on the fan list and the .2% who have something nice to say about my music.

However just to entertain my self I thought I would try some ideas to see if I could manipulate the POP SCORE.

WARNING !!! DON"T TRY THIS AT HOME!!! So here is my bright idea...I went to the REPORTS - FAN OVERLAP report, selected the song I was going to allocate plays to, printed out the Overlap Report and edited my Targeted Artists to ONLY THOSE on the Overlap Report for that song.

So far so good. I allocated a bunch of plays to that song and went to bed.

The RESULT: By targeting ONLY the Artists on the OVERLAP for The Specific Song,I did SUCCESSFULLY MANIPULATE my POP SCORE!! It went from a not so wonderful 47 DOWN to a dismally low 19!!

ALSO my Fan/Likes percentage dropped from around 4% to .7% for this experiment. So I have no idea how to utilize the Fan Overlap Report to get in front of listeners who ACTUALLY LIKE my music. So I went back to selecting targeted Artists by gut feeling hoping to get the FAN/LIKES count back up to 4% and my POP SCORE back up to it's normal 44-55 range.

Not surprisingly my numbers are now back to the same numbers I was seeing before my "ARTIST FAN OVERLAP REPORT" experiment.

All for fun!!

Anyway that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!! Rock ON!! AJ

AVERAGE JOE said...

MORE POP SCORE CHATTER - POSSIBLE CLARIFICATION & A STARTEGY FOR SUCCESS ON JANGO!!

Don't forget there are literally THOUSANDS of "Emerging Artists" (or in some cases "Submerging and Drowning Artists", yours truly a case in point) posting on JANGO.

Certainly not the Hundreds I thought were probably on here. Call me naive!! That is a LOT of BANDS for Jango to manage and a lot of competition for FANS, play tinme etc. It made me feel so insignificant when I found that out!! :)

Anyhow there were some numbers referenced in a previous blog that would seem to paint a pretty accurate picture of what FAN TAKE RATE numbers will get you an 80+ score. i.e. About 8% fan response with low thumbs down numbers = 80+ qualifying POP Score.

EXAMPLE: Recently there was a TOP POP or POP TOP if you like, who was a TOP POP POP TOP 5 with just 8 Fans!! Here is how that IS Possible:If that was achieved with just 50 paid plays, the minimum required, that is a 16% FAN/PLAY ratio.

If so they are doing a hell of a job of targeting listeners that LOVE the sound they are posting. Seems like that is the KEY to mysterious POP TOP 5. High RATIO of FANS/HATERS vs. the High Ratio of HATERS/FANS for us (me) low POP TOP Scorers!! Kudos to them!!

Another issue brought up on a recent Blog Posting was how the NEW FAN counts vary from the LIKES count. I believe it is a result of listeners who are already FANS, listening to additional songs and taking actions that result in a LIKE, such as a SMILEY FACE on a different song or adding you to a station.

Listeners will only be designated as a NEW FAN one time, but they may take positive actions that will result in a NEW LIKE multiple times. That's my theory based on some observations I have made. (see below)

Personally I like to think it is (designated) FANS I emailed asking to check out a new song, who did so and took a positive action when they listened.

For example I sent a ton of emails when I posted a new song last week and for several days the Profile Views and LIKES had a visible jump. NEW FANS stayed at about it's normal level which is nothing I really want to talk about here. I do have my pride!!

MY STRATEGIC PLAN FOR SUCCESS ON JANGO: My strategy is that some wealthy music producer will stumble across my music while tripping on acid and decide (influenced heavily by the acid)that it is a unique sound that the the world needs to hear and will be worth lots of money in!! (Translation: I plan to be poor forever!!)

Ok ... that's all...if you haven't had a chance to check out my latest posting ROUND & ROUND, vist my profile, give it a listen. Then be really nice and click on the smiley face!!

This will also give you a good understanding as to why my POP SCORE tends to range from around 19 -50!! lol

AJ

Anonymous said...

Congrats to the winners..
The only thing I don't understand is the email saying I came close to winning whatever that means.
Oh well, anyway I am not looking at no pop score and I am looking at the percentage I get for the geographic map to see how I am doing there. I talk with the various fans I have collected as well to get an idea of things.
I have to keep checking Jango for PopScore then I will be disappointed, I only 80 once so I don't know how I came close this time around but didn't meet the requirements. Whatever, I am just happy I have the little fans that I have for my music.
I also notice if you don't keep adding money then Jango does not play your music for you which I find not a very good service. I was directed to somewhere else where I don't have to keep putting money to get airplay.
Thanks,
Jango
Still confuse about the way you do things and I am still new around here.

Anonymous said...

Below is the response i got from Jango. Basically what I see is this and maybe im wrong. Im not sure if my response was posted already but im seeign that as they are stating, its not only fans you get each week but as ive stated before that im sure i noticed was other playts of people playing your songs on their stations. keyword guys!@! performance!!! so. just concentrate on you as an artist because i am and and im enjoying this. below iis the
response

There really is not very much more insight other than those very
informative blogs we are shooting out about PopScore

jangoairplay.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-info-on-popscore.html

jangoairplay.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-on-popscore-how-it-works.html

jangoairplay.blogspot.com/2010/02/popscore-fluctuation-mon-to-wed.html

What everyone needs to remember is PopScore is based on your weekly
performance and relative to all the 40,000+ Jango Airplay bands that
are currently promoting with Jango Airplay.

So indeed many of the top 5 bands may look like they have fewer fans,
plays etc compared to others who have higher counts but scored lower
that week. Those bands were absolutely the winners that week scoring
100% in their performance as well as performing better relatively to
all other Jango Airplay bands.

It's extremely important to remember that PopScore is cumulative
WEEKLY not for your entire history on Jango.com
So for that one week those bands are scoring positively with their
listeners here on Jango.com more than any other Jango Airplay band.

Let me know if this helped at all

Best
Erin

Anonymous said...

It really does not matter how much pepole explain the pop score it still makes no sence and does not seem fair to artist who get 100 plus fans in 1 week!!

AVERAGE JOE said...

ANYONE ELASE HAVE AN UNUSAULLY BAD DAY YESTERDAY?
Was the rating system working yesterday? I went 0 for 230 yesterday and was wondering if anyone else experienced an unusually out of whack day. Or did it just so happen that every single person who was presented with my music yesterday thought it sucks?

Have never had a day quite that bad in 7 months, must be the word is getting around...lol AJ

YOUNG FAME said...

once again dont know about how the Pop Score is allocated but i do know that my music should be way above 90, i mean i have over 700 fans over 250 comments and about 60 email addresses so i dont know what more i can achieve to get a 90 but with that said my FANS LOVE ME im blowing up on here and my pop score is never below 80 so although i may not make 90 my music still ROCKS why? because the FANS SAY SO!!!! so ROCK ON!!! Young Fame out.. come by and check my music..Peace

Anonymous said...

It is clear that the popscore's math is more like a batting average than a ranking system. The reason the popscore favors rookies (it does) is because of bush league math. The results of a ranking system should be VERY REASONABLE. You can tell yours isn't working when a) people tell you the results aren't reasonable, or b) your top results all come from the smallest data sets. By the looks of things you've got a "system" that factors a few pieces of data, then divides by number of plays (for the week, we know!) thus producing a quotient for each artist. The quotients are sorted and assigned whole number values descending from 100 to whatever low number you choose to assign the lowest quotient(s).

This is no different than sorting batting averages for all hitters in MLB from highest to lowest and ranking them accordingly. You'd have to award the batting title to someone who has had 1 at-bat, possibly an American League pitcher. That ain't right. Every week the popscore's top picks include artists with very low numbers of fans. The 5/23 popscore picked such small-sample artists for all 5 spots. Jango keeps saying that this is a "fair" system, because every artist's data is treated the same. But the popscore is a ranking system, and a contest. An artist with 300 hundred plays has been heard by (tops) 100 listeners, 27 of whom became fans. It is not reasonable for such an artist to out-rank an artist with 2000 fans. Period. It just isn't. Similarly, it is not reasonable -- or fair -- to compare averages of artists spinning 500 plays in a week with artists spinning 5000 plays. Here's why:

***a small number of ratings increases the chance that the overall average rating may be “inaccurate” – not arithmetically inaccurate of course, but inaccurate in the sense that the data doesn’t reflect anything remotely like a true consensus***

This is why the popscore produces skewed results. It's also why the popscore generates strong reactions, complaints, and controversy. People recognize that the popscore is flawed and react to it and ask questions, because it doesn't provide a sense of consensus like a ranking system should. Jango has to fix this.

How does baseball deal with the problem of comparing data sets of different sizes? It doesn't. Hitters must have over 500 at-bats in the season to be ranked (this is close enough to the total number of at-bats a hitter can possibly have in the season to make the data sets comparable).

Jango's 50 paid play qualification does nothing to level the playing field and having requirements would defeat much of the purpose of the popscore. So Jango has do what they should have done from the git-go: CORRECT THE DATA.

Here is a link to an excellent article that speaks directly to the popscore quandary. It explains 2 things Jango should know: first, that Bayes' Theorem and Bayesian correction is just what the doctor ordered for the popscore; and second, that the necessary ideas, equations and even the software code to implement proper weighting can be had for the asking.

http://leedumond.com/blog/the-wisdom-of-crowds-implementing-a-smart-ranking-algorithm/

Please address our concerns.

-JS

Anonymous said...

**We have updated the fans list by combining it with all "likers" to give you a better idea of how many fans you have on Jango!

-typical Jango

CHRIS WILLIAMS said...

OK GUYS!!
I WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING I JUST DID LAST NIGHT THAT THEY MENTIONED ON ONE OF THE BLOGS ON THE POPSCORE. NOT THAT THIS IS A NEW IDEA BUT IT HIT ME THAT I HAD BEEN RUNNING THE SAME SONG FOR AWHILE AND IVE NOTICED AND IT COULD BE A GLICHE ON JANGO PART BUT IVE BEEN GETTING REPEAT REQUESTS ON SOME ARTISTS SONGS THAT I ALREADY VOTED ON AS A LISTENER AND THIS MAY BE HAPPENING TO ME OR YOU GUYS. MEANING THIS. THAT ONE PERSON MAY HAVE ALREADY VOTED TO MAKE YOU BUT REFUSED TO VOTE AGAIN ON IT BUT DID NOT VOTE YOU DOWN. IN OTHER WORDS. NO VOTE CAN HURT YOU AS BAD AS A BAD VOTE. SO, I CHANGED MY CREDITS TO ANOTHER SONG AND GOT A HUGH SPURT OF FANS TODAY. ITS A THOUGHT AND LOOK INTO IT AND HOPE THIS HELPS

CHRIS WILLIAMS

WWW.CWIZ.INFO

OH YEAH!! IM SEEING SALES FROM JANGO. CD SALES.
HOPE YOU GUYS ARE TO
CHRIS

!!Flyboy!! number one on jango!!! said...

!Check me out!! !!Flyboy!!!

my pop score stays pretty much at 85 im cool with that i guess
i got 2065 fans 650 comments Im ballin on jango
I just need 2 hit the top 5!!!

Jango need to hook me up

Anonymous said...

The odds are stacked against you, Flyboy. Your consistent 85 with real numbers to back it up is worth far more than the PopScore's picks - overwhelmingly bands with too few spins/fans in a week to produce meaningful results when averaged.

Anonymous said...

Baseball starts tonight. At the end of the game, the highest batting averages will belong to utility players with one at bat. The hitters with 4 and 5 at-bats, who actually determine the outcome of the game, have to give highlight reel performances to come out on top, batting average-wise. Same thing will happen with this week's PopScore winners: 4 out of 5 will be rookies with the lowest number of at-bats. Hopefully the 5th will be a deserving superstar. Go [insert team/band name here]!!!

JS